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7 things that piss off support players in Dota 2

7 things that piss off support players in Dota 2

| February 19, 2014

If you play support in Dota 2, you’ve probably had your own share of flame and blame about how horribly you play your role. There are a lot of ways that a support player can piss off the rest of the team, but has anyone wondered what pisses off a support player?

1. People who don’t look at the warded map

Wards are very important because they light up the map. With proper placement, you can see the enemy’s movements, which can help set up your own ganks or avoid enemy ganks. I’m sure you’ve heard players complaining about how their supports don’t ward. However, I would also like to point out that that warding will only work if you look at the mini map. So if I warded near the rune area near the river, I expect you to see an enemy walking from the river, into the jungle, and most probably towards your lane to kill you. Warding costs gold. Looking at the map costs you nothing, so in case you aren’t looking then why are you not looking!?

2. People who run out of healing range

One of the duties of the support is to keep the core heroes alive and safe. For example, if you’re injured while laning with an Enchantress or a Witch Doctor and they cast Nature’s Attendance or VooDoo Restoration, that means they’re healing you. Unless you have a good reason, you should NOT leave the healing radius. You can only imagine how frustrating it is when you’re trying to heal a hero and he runs away from you.

ench-heal

3. People who go back and DIE after being saved

Even more frustrating than the previous guy, this one actually dies. In cases when someone has to inevitably die, between the carry and the support, it’s better that the latter goes to his death. So if your support jumps in there and tries to save your behind, don’t let his death be in vain. Go escape and let your support die so you can live, farm, and lay waste to the enemy team later. It’s the same concept of losing the battle to win the war. It’s not stupid and even Na’Vi does it.

4. People who can’t distinguish initiation from harassment

Sometimes, supports stay with the carry during the laning phase so they’re sure the carry is protected and gets farm. Oftentimes, they have to attack the enemy heroes to push them back. This is called harassment, not initiation. The difference between the two is that the previous is meant to zone out and create some space, while the latter is aiming for a kill. If the support is trying to create space for you, the best thing you can do is use that space to farm. It doesn’t always mean for you to jump at the enemy and lose HP, gold, and exp in the process or worse, die.

pull

5. People who don’t understand creep pulling (and has guts to flame)

Supports usually get their farm from assists or jungling. Creep pulling not only helps the support to get farm, but it also keeps the lane from being pushed so far and denies gold and experience from the enemy. Since the enemy creeps are much closer to your own tower, it makes it safer for the carry to farm.

Now I speak from experience when I say that some carriers do not know what pulling is and I get flamed because they ‘don’t have creeps in their lane’ (Exact words: “WTF are you doing taking my creeps, Vengeful!?”). And instead of safely farming behind our tower, they then proceed to leave the lane, enter the jungle, kill the neutral creeps being attacked by our creeps. This, in turn, denies me the mediocre gold and experience I can get outside lane while letting the enemy creeps hit the tower and die ‘unfarmed’ from tower aggro. Can you not!?

6. People who build item duplicates whose effects don’t stack

This is often a communication problem between two supports, but can also happen to cores. There are items that the team only needs one of because their effects don’t stack. Examples include Ring of Basilius, Mekansm, and Pipe. It is very important to notify the team if you’re going for said item or to check if someone else is making it to avoid wasting gold. Remember, supports don’t have the luxury to getting farm so if your pub team ends up having a Viper, a Windrunner, and a Chen, make it clear who’s going to build the Mekansm. Viper can usually farm it faster, but don’t assume that he will.

lina2

7. People who are oblivious of what casting delay means

Playing a Lina or a Leshrac support can be tricky if you’re the only one with the stun. Why? Because their stuns have casting animations and delays that are rather easy to avoid. Aside from casting the skill on the ground in advance, timing and positioning are very important. So if you’re a carry laning with these kinds of heroes, don’t flame the player if the casting wasn’t instant. It’s not their fault if you don’t know that attempting to stun a hasted enemy in broad daylight is most probably a bad idea.


Of course, at the end of the day, the support is just as important as any other role on the team. Just because they don’t need farm or experience doesn’t mean they should be blamed for everything. If you’re a support player, what horrible experiences do you have from teammates? Share and discuss it with everyone in the comments section below! You never know if your experience can help educate yet another clueless carry somewhere.

Comments

  1. Arc.L

    One more thing is that the carries who do not know how to carries the team.
    Supports tries so hard to creates spaces and win early wars but the carries are still either not farmed or do not know how to snowball. Which cause the team fallout during late game eventually throw the game.

    This happens ALOT which piss off support whom already did a great job.

  2. je t'aime

    How could you miss this out?

    Carry: “Dude I am killing more than you.”
    Support: “And… I am supporting for you to kill?”
    Carry: “Noob score… Don’t talk!”
    Support: “-.-”

    • GreEn

      i know that feel :)

      • Prinzeum

        very true, and they tell me that i only got 1 kill and 3 deaths while the score is 10-11(ours) and my assist was 10, considering my 1 kill and ten assists that makes it 11 kill in total, see my point, fuck players who are idiots.

        • Nightshielder

          I remember the time I use CM, the retard sniper ( 26/3/11 ) report me for having most death ( 2/7/63 ) and keep boasting how he kill more than me,…

          Fuck reaterded carries

  3. Shenk

    hahah the argument of the score on a support makes you feel impotent sometimes

  4. Trip

    Yeah, the score situation… like “look at his score it’s 2/7/400, feeded a lot” -.-

  5. The last point surely makes me angry, I play a lot with Jakiro, and its sometimes pretty hard to land the ice path and they start complaining, but they can’t be blamed when they can free farm and don’t last hit well, 5 creeps they farm at most 3… that is really annoying, when you the best as a support but your carry is useless, that really is frustrating, also I agree the people who commented this. I know that feel bro

  6. Windyboy

    i am the one who usually using support hero
    and i always meet the one who the fuck keep blaming about support.

  7. FrostXan

    *Accidentally misclick and killed one creep* Carry: OMG, noob support, you playing carry or I carry?! Everyone report him!”

    • The man of something.

      If you accidentally killed a creep just say ¨ Sry I really need it to buy wards so you can go and help out other lanes¨. That shows that you have a brain and your teamates will mostly forgive you. :)
      #sneacky lasthiting.

      • bhaal

        the thing is: you shouldnt have to type an excuse just for killing one creep.

        this annoys me so much. carries going all apeshit over 1 creep. especially when they fail to last hit most of the time anyway

  8. lolwhocaresaboutnamesonthiswebsitehonestly

    or “7 things that piss of Dota Players”.. Don’t have to be a support to know those feels.

  9. DaMadwan

    How about this? Set up kills all over the map but keep dying and get called noob for diving so that the carry can actually take the kill and go straight back to farming with minimal hp loss. protect the carry, give the farm to the carry, give the kills to the carry. Played a game where this Invoker kept taking kills and did not buy a single fucking disabling item, no eul’s, no hex. Instead, he had a bloody refresher and linken’s while my potm was forced to go for manta and mjoll instead of my normal manta and deso. Almost lost that game due to that invoker’s greed.

    • Prinzeum

      noob player. yes you are.

  10. bullzi

    you know what grinds my gears? #5

  11. Bonzomi

    You forgot “People not realizing how short the casting range of some skills”

    • saw93

      ^this.
      and this “People not realizing skill has cool down”

  12. Gwimm

    People who pick 4 carries and expect 1 support to buy everything and blame you if they lose the game because of it while not having helped at all

    • Astonishing

      yeah…I’m lost most of the game this 4 days because of pick from my teammate…I’ve random my hero 1st and got carry hero, and all my team mate also pick carry…so i’ve to repick support..i depend on my carry but I’m alone have to support my team is not enought and the most worse thing, i got the high kill than my carry…

  13. Na"vi.Dendi

    Puppey and kuroky noob

    • Na''vi. Xboct

      Na”vi. Xboct

      yeah, both big noobs

      • Na'vi. Funn1k

        you both noobs too

        • Na'vi LightofHeaven

          I’m so much better than all of you combined x2.

  14. Bluejay.

    I guess it’s no surprise that whenever I solo pubs that most of my support heroes win rates are above 80% and my carry win rates are below 50%.

    Most of the time nobody wants to play support, and even when I’m playing support, the carries fail at playing.

  15. Defense of the Elders

    Everybody wants to win, but nobody wants to play support.
    -Bastion announcer

    • konto plz

      Nobody likes to play support, yet everybody likes to win*

  16. KOTOL

    Out of 350 games i played, 345 games I’d play only support. All 350 I’ve never touched carry.

    I’ve always hate it when these words spout out.
    “Noob, ur score says it all”
    “Only a boot? Wtf”
    “Buy smoke, buy ward, buy dust, buy meka, buy courier”
    “KS…”
    “feeder.”
    “Why you dont support me” <—-when he got ganked out of no where.

  17. Engie

    Sometimes i think playing support is playing DOTA in hard mode, and playing carry is easy mode. In fact, I have friends that are learning to play DOTA, and these guys always want to play carry, specially the same carry over and over again (See Riki, Spirit Breaker, Shadow Fiend, Legion Commander players).

    Also, these kind of situations that really piss me off happen, let’s say: Huskar is gonna kill a Legion Commander and I as a support Vengeful Spirit must save him. If I go and kill huskar the carry will say “Y U KS”. If im not even near to help him he will say “OMG WHERE WERE U WHEN THEY GANKED ME REPORT”. If I save him and then I die the carry will say “OMG FEEDER NOOB”, If the situation actually goes perfect: I stun huskar, the carry gets the kill and none of us die, maybe he would say “Ks fail LOL”.

    The worst thing that ever happened to me as a support was this: I was one playing as earthshaker. I suddenly see my team has 2 players that only speak spanish (I could understand spanish so that was no big problem, but the server was for english queue). These guys pick Phantom Lancer and Sniper, and say they are going to the same lane (2 carries in the same lane, reminds me of my days as a noob). There was a Timbersaw in my team that said he wanted solo offlane so I said “Ok” and went to trilane with Sniper and Phantom Lancer. I decide to pull and suddenly the Nº5 thing happens (they auto attack the lane and it was the first time they ever saw someone pulling). So these guys feed the lane, don’t know what farming in the jungle is and at the end of everything they say it’s my fault for doing a trilane, FOR DOING A TRILANE where i didn’t even get experience points from lane creeps. Also, this is only one of my many stories as a support player.

    tl;dr: The carries said the loss was my fault for being a support.

    Since 2 weeks ago I decided to never play carry again, because I want to show my friends that playing carry is for pussies.

    I know this comment is very long and it may have some grammar error (english is not my native language, excuse me for that) but there are so much bad things the carry players made to me when I play support and I wanted to let them go.

    • spark

      keep calm and be Cool!carrie me and i’ll support u ^_^

  18. bonescrusher

    This is what I hate the most “1.People who don’t look at the warded map”,as support player

  19. Hakuna Madafaka

    so I’m not the only one being flamed for playing a devoting support

  20. Lexeas

    The trick is to pick a support that can semi-carry just fine without needing a ton of farm early game hehe…alch, venge, mirana, drow, etc

  21. Madafaking Pikachu

    when I play as a support, I usally pick lion..in a situation when I help a carry ganking and then the carry runs out of skills to cast and he’s out of range to attack(he’s melee) the enemy with a freakin’ low HP..it’s impossible for him to catch up..

    support or not, bottom line is to outfarm the enemy and win, right? so I cast FoD on the enemy because it has quite a long range..and he starts flaming like a fucking retard saying (exact words..I haven’t forgotten it..maybe NEVER =.=”)

    Bara: “OMG WTF LION?! WHY DID YOU KILL HIM? I’M THE CARRY HERE. NOT YOU!”
    Bara: “FUCKING KS!!”
    Lion: “but you were out of range and skills to cast..If I did not killed him, he would’ve got away..”
    Bara: “I DON’T GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOU SAY!”
    Bara: “SUPPORT IS SUPPORT, CARRY IS CARRY..KNOW THE DIFFERENCE MOTHERFUCKER!”
    Bara: “REPORT LION REPORT LION REPORT LION REPORT LION REPORT LION”

    seriously..am I wrong? T___T
    If the enemy got away, he’s going to flame me anyway..GOD DAMMED PLAYERS..

    This blog is great for the Support players riding on the FEELS TRAIN.

    • Nyxxx

      I feel you bro but usually I’m a nyx..you already know that I will have a dagon(always only dagon 1 rest is wards ) and have faced what you have faced…same story…

  22. Nerfpitou

    “WARDS PLS”
    WTF ARE YOU SAYING, WARDS ARE STILL ON COOLDOWN BECAUSE OF MY WARDS ON THE MAP. DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW TO LOOK YOU PIEACE OF SHIT!

  23. GundamForever

    fuck carry who cant play carry at all !!!

  24. ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ BUY WARDS

    I once played with someone who picked morphling and went offlane against jakiro, es, and tb. As a support, i thought that if i leave him there, he would die even though i placed wards for him to be aware of.

    But then again as the battle wages, He started attacking TB and uses waveform offensively. he died and bought back (at level 3!!!) tp’ed back and waveform offensively again and died again. And a while blame me for not being there with him when he “SUPPOSEDLY” had the kill on TB with still 3/4 hp. -.-

    The Life of a Support is never an Easy one.

  25. WARDS

    When I play support, fail carries are fine with me as long as they admit that they failed. But if they put the blame on me even though they suck, I just try my best to outfarm them and carry the game myself with a support. That way they can’t trashtalk.

    • L echt

      no , if the carry is retarded , they will ” WTF , are u carry or support ? report him !! “

  26. fitzberg

    poor supports.. come play with me im a spectre player with 65% winrate on that hero. just babysit me and we will win 2 out of 3 games. I wont blame support unless that support steal my farms, I even dont like supports who intentionally give kill to the carries (example : lion doesnt last hit enemy hero because he wants to give the kill to sniper) I think that is unnecessary, it prolong the killing time, giving enemy time to tele and backup. The faster you can kill, the better. Just dont use fOd at 100hP lol , me as carry just need creeps, and you can take the kills too .
    Add me supports ! steam id : arshera
    babysit me :p

  27. Murder8

    Some Random teammate play carry, doesn’t carry the The Team and Blame the Support for no warding or NOT being there. . .

    Play Support, carry the Team to win, sacrifice to save others, and still blame for NOT being there, and Carry get all the credit for Winning the Game…. WHAT?!

  28. Sharous

    I assume everyone got those blames often enough and the best way is to ignore/mute.

  29. ParticleStyle

    Pulling is actually bad especially when the enemy creeps aren’t far away in the first place. This is because when supports are farming neutral creeps, it will leave the carries unattended and very vulnerable especially when there are two or more enemy heroes on the lane.

    • The man of something.

      Pulling is never bad. But you shold have a ward that scouts for enemy attacks, if its 2v1 the carry just have to play allitle safer so he wont die. even if you dont get the gold from the creeps you can get the xp. And dont forget if you pull a dubble stack your enemylane wont get any xp or gold from a whole creep wave.

  30. SittingDuck

    Guys come on we all know that it is the supports duty to carry the blame as well as the carry in pubs. We are basically the Ghandi’s of the Dota 2 world. We should always ready to turn the other cheek to the flame whilst sacrificing ourselves for the greater good. Be proud, carry is the role for those with low self esteem who feel they have something to prove (remember that we are taller, more handsome, funnier;- think of XBOCT/Puppey, EE-sama/Aui_2000) and try being passive aggressively sarcastic next time they flame you … just like Ghandi would :)

  31. Cello_Meister

    Nobody wants to play support, or even know how, so my friends forces me to play support because they don’t even know how to pull >.>

  32. sipanu

    nobody know that untill u are a good support u can’t be carry or roamer

  33. Miroku Asakura

    OMG dude can i play with you? hahaha i was reading this and i was like”OMG!!! that happens to me every day” because i mostly use Support(Lina is my main dota 2 hero and i can proudly say i am very good with her) and yes the stun is tricky but once you dominated it is a life saver i can say for sure that now my stuns are 100% hits
    and some other problems that sometimes i fight with is the fact that sometimes the support is also the”leader” on the team, if you listen to your support you can win for sure “guys please do not dive stay by tower defend, then win team battle and push” something easy as following your support indications is the key to win

    And someting i HATE is when you are the support and you “carry” your team to win(for carry i mean do your best support things to helo your team” and your team and the other team says “GG carry ” and you are like “WTF? did you see my items? my skills? how i helped you to win? yes the carry got the kills but i helped the team a lot!!!”

    =(

    • The man of something.

      Agree, I hate it when the other team(or my team) are like. GG WP carry, when im the one securing all the farm, the towers, set up kills, initiate, secure roshan, Healing all the time. saves my team by sacrifising myself and even making the enemy hero chase me for 30 sec while my team are getting rax. Im not saying give all the creed to me but pls atleast give me something that can keep me going. :P

    • I like that haha. I play Lina also. And i seldom to play a support lina (of course i can buy wards but not all supporting items). What I did was solo mid or laning to get farmed or kill to drag the game till the time when carry heroes are fat. I like your way and i will salute you because lina support is not easy for me.

  34. The man of something.

    Kill stealing is not good, but i hate it when i play support and i pop everything just to keep the enemy at place so the carry have the time to come and help me out with the kill. It sometimes end up with me getting the kill and most of the times the carry says stop ksing you noob. How is it killstealing when i do 80% of the dmg to the hero and then get the kill?

  35. I really hate people put the words like “We need wards” in chat. Sometimes support may have no money or the ward is on cooldown. Come on dude, try to play support and u’ll know how hard we did in a team. In public game, for most of my game onli got a support in team (thats me). Well i can take support, but if u cannot play goood with a carry, no point for you to blame. Be rationale and go play with bots to train ur farming skill.

  36. Stefanie

    The people who are dying and then, u go to save them,and they are coming back with 5hp and take the kill.

  37. Ayachi

    i’m play in SEA server and my level is 44….
    I’m play support well… but in SEA server… the carry heroes always played by newbie player (expecially Philipine and sometime Indonesian players who always stupid and brainless picking heroes…. that’s make me crazy to play support)
    If i’m play Carry heroes (first pick) no one pick support… no buy courier…. and i’m obliged to buy courier and ward… (what the… i’m play carry hero and buy courier + ward, it’s not different i’m play support with cary heroes…… and if my item not good enough because spend alot money for ward dust ext, i got blame from team….)
    Yeah sometime i meet a good player from Philipine and Indonesian player too…. but it’s very very rare
    We (support’s player) are proud and happy if our carry heroes playing and doing well.

    • Gremory

      I am Indonesian and always play support (rarely touch carry) but its kind of true that carry usually pick by Noob (atleast in the SEA server). I felt the same.
      there are so many Indonesian player who good at the game and nice or not being such a dickhead or something. Its a pity though that you met the noob or the dickhead .So play with us more and see that nice people exist.

  38. mickeymouse234

    Now this is why I don’t like playing with random players at a match because they don’t understand my intentions unlike my teammates who understand if I used Laguna Blade on the enemy (I played Lina at that time) who was getting away and they were just praising me for killing the escaping enemy unlike those random carries that I match up with who accuse me of killstealing…

  39. Widlička

    3rd is like the worst possible, happened to me at least 5 times today :D and then they have the guts to blmae you for their death :D
    And also the 2-7-13 “feeding” sentence can get me nervous, and especially if the one who is blaming you is a carry with 1-13-4.. actually, these are the only type of players who are blaming others :D

  40. Jeix

    I’m currently downloading league of legends because I’m sick and tired of people like the ones you mentioned. In case I discover that the situation is the same in both games, I guess I will return to dota and become a pudge picker, at least I’ll have some reasons to get yelled at.

  41. IDHein06

    I love being support but carries pisses me off ==
    “Why dont u buy that. U must buy that that bla bla bla”
    And whenever i tried to help people probably said
    “You KS. Report him”
    getting tired of your shit carries

  42. Hiroki

    i know how that feel
    i can play carry and support, let me give you guys some tips as a fellow support.
    when you play support and you find someone in pub game that play good as carry with no trash talk ( that carry know how hard it is to be a support ) at the end of the game add him as friend, so that you can play with him anytime you guys on to play dota2
    that’s is from me, if you guys tired of playing with some random guys that don’t even know how to play team. try to add player that good as team, soon you’ll get tons of friend at dota2 that you can play with
    as for me, i always play with 1 of my friend, we do this when we play >>> when he do carry i’ll go support, when i do carry he’ll go support, but sometimes we go tanker when there is support and carry already
    I NEVER SEE CARRY LEAD THE TEAM,WHAT I SEE IS SUPPORT OR TANKER LEADING THE GAME TO WIN :D

  43. Kieri

    Everything happened to me so far.

    I died so many times to save those carries, yet got blame on feeding.
    I even initiate the battle so my team can win the war, yet still “What the fuck you are doing? Why don’t you just wait until the enemy initiate first, we can easily counter it”.

    I wards, for seriously, but sometimes I have no gold or the ward is in cool down.
    I jungles, stacking creeps or even building all supporting items, but then..

    Why would you ks me? I’m the carry.
    Well, isn’t carry job supposed to be farming creeps? More gold than killing 1 hero.

    If supports couldn’t kill a hero or even farm in jungles. Where do we get out money?
    Well, assists of course, but with all dusts, wards, couriers, healing items. We need a lottaf gold for it. >__<

  44. yolo

    to add, when you try to stack up neutral creep, and some wild carry come in disrupt your timing….

  45. I know something even worse than the carry who walks out of the support’s healing range :

    In League of Legends (don’t you dare flaming me, I’m bi-game-ual), there’s a support called Thresh. When you press W he throws his lantern to the ground and it stays here for a few seconds. If an ally click on it, he’ll be pulled back right to Thresh and gain a shield, it’s some kind of a life buoy you see ?

    Now, imagine the rage inside you when your carry is in the middle of a gangbang, you send him your Holy Lantern of Salvation and this fool doesn’t even know what it is and doesn’t click on it ? Do you know how horrible it feels to yell “CLICK THE GODDAMN THINGY !” alone in your room in front of your screen and still nothing happen ? Do you UNDERSTAND how many things you can think when THIS VERY ALLY FLAMES AT YOU afterwards with some “omg Thresh you did nothing and let me die” ?!

    For those who still can’t imagine it, here is a compilation for you :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52zAKGeGM1c

  46. Grey

    Well, what do you expect from supporting random guys in pub games? Obviously, the result is unexpectedly random.

  47. Prinzeum

    As an above average player (ehem..) who knows how to carry a team and farm very well (a lil bit less than the pro ones), i know very well what a support means. A support supports the carry thus the support is making the carry carry the game more easily, well sometimes the carry is not needed why pick magina if you can chen and end the game in 20? right?

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